Listen and Do: Man of India

October 11, 2005

I picked up a children's activity book called "Listen and Do." The copyright date is 1954. I'm planning on scanning the entire thing eventually, but in the meantime, click the image below to see the full page of this particular gem:

Update: I'll be posting the rest of the pages beginning later this week (there are 60-some-odd pages to this thing, so it'll take a bit of time to finish scanning and posting), so check back in or grab a feed, and I promise you won't be disappointed.

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Comments

Too bad publishers are such politically correct cowards today. This coloring book is right on the mark.

Posted by: Tracey at October 11, 2005 02:31 PM

I agree. If you believe in God (Christian God Yahweh), then you must also believe that he is the only God, and that Buddha is a false god. There's nothing wrong with this! It is funny though to see older literature in comparison to the PC crap people turn out these days.

Posted by: boohiss at October 11, 2005 02:34 PM

Wow! And I thought dick head Jesus freakery was a recent development.

Posted by: Hollywood at October 11, 2005 02:35 PM

the two comments above are totally fantastic. you should scan the page with the Jews drinking the blood of Christian babies. don't be a coward.

Posted by: amazed at October 11, 2005 02:39 PM

I love that part... "his god cannot help him"

The thing is, you are all screwed... my God (the Cow God) can kill all your gods. My Cow God killed the christain god eons ago, but the silly herd hasn't heard "the bad news" yet. They not only worship a false god, they worship a long dead god whose entrails were spread across the galaxy eons ago.

Bow before the Cow God or step in holy manure.

http://members.cox.net/cowicide/

Posted by: Cowicide at October 11, 2005 02:41 PM

First i must say i like the design of you site, very easy on the eyes and clean.. great job..

I Do fnd one thing wrong with the last post by boohis.. I think all gods are equal and exist . I Feel all religions should teach that. it is alway wrong to teach some one that somebody elses god is better or wont help them cause they are of another faith. god is just spirit.. your spirit. . . I'm not exactly sure what i am talking about here. i just dislike people who tend to think one is better than another and if it is said, then the one who thinks they are better than another really isn't..

Posted by: djmontra at October 11, 2005 02:43 PM

Everyone knows Buddha was a homosexual anyway.

Posted by: Marshall at October 11, 2005 02:44 PM

This is the first Pouting Buddha I've ever seen. Look at that lower lip!

Posted by: Adam Rakunas at October 11, 2005 02:46 PM

Misinformation abounds.

Regardless of popular (mis)belief, Buddha is not a god. One can be a Christian and a Buddhist at the same time, believe it or not.

http://buddhism.about.com/library/blbud101.htm

Posted by: miharu at October 11, 2005 02:47 PM

Thanks, George W. Bush, for bringing all the Jesus-freaks back out. You've given them the courage they need to show their stupidity. WAY TO GO!

My god's better than your god!!! My god can fuck your god in the arse!!!!

Posted by: herm at October 11, 2005 02:48 PM

IMO the Flying Spaghetti Monster has got them all beat.
http://www.venganza.org/

Posted by: Tim Holland at October 11, 2005 02:49 PM

Those who have been touched by the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster, know that true divinity has meatballs attached.

Posted by: dylan at October 11, 2005 02:50 PM

If you check out the detailed version of the picture, you notice it's geared towards virtual retards. There's a "directions" line that literally says, "read the story. paint the picture."

Enough said.

Posted by: herm at October 11, 2005 02:51 PM

I think we should all draw our interpretation of how Jesus can help this poor, misguided man.

My ideas: Jesus with some ice cream, Jesus with a massage table ready to give him a back rub. Jesus with a big bunch of happy face balloons.

Posted by: Alex at October 11, 2005 02:52 PM

Seriously, everyone knows the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true Supreme Being. I have no idea how anyone like the first two commenters could even joke about something so obvious. Just by existing, they are proof of his Saucy Goodness and Noodly Appendages because he created them.

Posted by: Julian at October 11, 2005 02:52 PM

There´s none God. Christian are as stupid dumb as budhists.

Posted by: Andy at October 11, 2005 02:52 PM

You'd be sad too if you knew you could not help your little naked and bald devotees. Or maybe he's pouting because of the pimple in the middle of his forehead. Poor Buddha can't catch a break. :(

Posted by: j at October 11, 2005 02:54 PM

Buddhists do not believe in any god.

Posted by: miharu at October 11, 2005 02:54 PM

FWIW...Buddha was not a god. He never claimed to be anything more than an awakened human.

Over time many Asian Buddhists (particularly in the Mahayana tradition (eg. zen, tibetan, etc) started treating Buddha more like a god. But even they would most definitely tell you that they bow to him out of respect for his accomplishment of enlightenment (and also at times to hope for good things to happen) but not because they view him as a god.

Theravada buddhists (India, Burma, Sri Lanka, Thailand) have typically not treated Buddha as an object that can be used (chanted for instance) to bring good luck.

Posted by: greg at October 11, 2005 02:54 PM

My understanding is that the propagated philosophy following the death of Siddhartha Gautama has nothing whatsoever to do with god(s). That is, it states neither a disbelief or belief in god(s). In fact, as far as I understand, it states neither a disbelief or belief in anything whatsoever.

But what would I know?

Posted by: Peter Rock Lacroix at October 11, 2005 03:21 PM

Unfortunately, it appears that people are just as ignorant today as they were when this book was published. Any religion is just created from a bunch of made up stories (it's called mythology, not REALITY), by people trying to explain what they don't understand. You can believe in dragons, fairies, hell, multiple hells (such as in Tibetan Buddhism), Jesus walking on water, wrathful dieties, tree gods...
Why on earth do people insist that their fantasy world must be the TRUTH?? There is no need to disrespect each other. A common theme in all religions is to treat each other as you would be treated.
And who cares if Buddha was homosexual? Oh wait... that's against the CHRISTIAN religion, how could I forget.
Satan might get us if we are gay...ooh! Scary guy with horns and hooves..
funny how he looks just like Pan, the previous god of nature and fertility, worshipped thousands of years before Christianity even existed...

Posted by: mica at October 11, 2005 03:21 PM

While I personally kneel at the alter of the Tasty & Almighty FSM, I don't begrudge anyone their irrational & illogically-defined beliefs.

But one thing Jesus could do to help this poor "indian" is inform him that the false God he *should* be worshipping is most likely Vishnu, and not the Buddha. While 80% of Indians are Hindu, it is a relatively small subset of Vishnu revisionists who worship the Buddha as the reincarnation of Vishnu. Perhaps the makers of the book thought people would not recognize Vishnu? Or maybe Jesus just didn't want to confuse this poor fella any more than he already is. How moral.

Posted by: richard at October 11, 2005 03:31 PM

That book is ignorant. The problem isn't "political incorrectness", the authors of the book simply don't understand Buddhism.

1. Buddha is not a "god".

2. Kowtowing in front of a statue like that is very theatrical and totally unrepresentative of Buddhism.

3. It's quite true that Buddha can't help that guy, but Buddha's _teachings_ can. A small change in wording, but a big change in what it means.

4. "This man must know about Jesus". This part is good :) Learning about Jesus is a fine thing. The guy will be a better person for it, and furthermore, learning about Jesus conflicts in no way whatsoever with the tenets of Buddhism.

Posted by: kartoffel at October 11, 2005 03:34 PM

"His god cannot help him."

Now if he were wearing pirate regalia...

Posted by: Brian at October 11, 2005 03:43 PM

Umm...Buddha is not a god. It really gets my goat whenever somebody says something to the effect of "worshipping Buddha." People pray to Buddhas (there are many) and Bodhisatvas much like Catholics pray to saints. However, in Buddhism, the existence of one god or many is rather irrelevant. However, Christianity and Buddhism are not irreconcilable religions. Heck, Siddartha might even be a Catholic and Orthodox saint. Sorry, supposed devotees of a tolerant Jewish pacifist and carpenter--the picture fails on many levels. It fails most at depicting a man worshiping a non-Christian god.

Posted by: Hyacynth at October 11, 2005 03:46 PM

what are u all stupid? Budda is not a God, so the cartoon is wrong, the man is not praying to his God, because Budda is not considered a God to buddists...no wonder ppl cant stand some christians, they are plenty dumb.

Posted by: mayaO at October 11, 2005 03:49 PM

Correct! This Buddha character teaches peace, understanding, forgiveness, and non-materialism. That crap has no place in the blessed church of culturalcidal missionaries and righteous drunken indicted politicians.

Amen. Excuse me, I have a hot date with my priest after study some more intelegently designed finches and blondes.

Posted by: Dienda Maddick at October 11, 2005 03:49 PM

Well, if it where a Muslim book we could help him by cutting his head off. As a Christian you would force him to recite the pledge of allegiance, which is much worse than losing your head because Bush loves America.

Posted by: Amuhd at October 11, 2005 03:55 PM

I don't really find this that surprising. This is what all religion says: if you don't follow us, you're going to hell. I thought everyone knew that.

Posted by: Lonnie Bruner at October 11, 2005 04:00 PM

Can't we all just learn to live and let live? Yes, old religious propaganda is *funny* even to some Christians(I'm not personally, but I used to be) and downright laughable if you're NOT Christian. But honestly- I think you should respect other religions. From my old studies, didn't Jesus teach that you should do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Whether you worship the FSM, Jehovah, Vishnu, Allah or whatever, you should respect other's faith.

PS: Why are homosexuals against the Christian religion?? I don't get it.

Posted by: MintieMouse at October 11, 2005 04:04 PM

Can't we all just learn to live and let live? Yes, old religious propaganda is *funny* even to some Christians(I'm not personally, but I used to be) and downright laughable if you're NOT Christian. But honestly- I think you should respect other religions. From my old studies, didn't Jesus teach that you should do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Whether you worship the FSM, Jehovah, Vishnu, Allah or whatever, you should respect other's faith.

PS: Why are homosexuals against the Christian religion?? I don't get it.

Posted by: MintieMouse at October 11, 2005 04:04 PM

Feed them Xtians to the lions!

Posted by: Icky Bob at October 11, 2005 04:05 PM

OMG! They said Buddha was a God and he's totally not!!!! They look so stupid!!1!1oneone!!

Posted by: OHF at October 11, 2005 04:11 PM

This is a Pastafarian man.
He prays to the Noodly One.
His god can only serve him meatballs.
Can you think of ways to help him?

Oh Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, please show these disallusioned religious zealots the way.

RA-men.

Posted by: Anonymouse at October 11, 2005 04:19 PM

I like the COW God reference....

MOOOOOO....

Bow before AZO!!

Posted by: Caelidh at October 11, 2005 04:23 PM

For all the people that think this is correct perhaps you should the second and third sections of the Nostra Aetate from the fourth session of the second vatican council which says that all religions are valid:

"The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men."

It specifically mentions Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam and while the colouring book itself was published before Vatican II, people who say "This coloring book is right on the mark", or "you must also believe that [the christian god] is the only God, and that Buddha is a false god" since 1965 are clearly wrong.

Posted by: ironcorona at October 11, 2005 04:24 PM

Furthermore..

Buddha is NOT A GOD!!!

He was a man who achieved enlightenment.. He is more of an example and inspiration and NO Buddhist PRAY'S to Buddha...

Buddhahood is a state of being... a place of perfection...

to which we all have the capacity to aspire to. Christianity.. while having some .. SOME good points.. but mostly it has been hijacked by those who would keep the individual powerless and under control of a diety that they can surrender to.

THat is not enlightenment.

Peace

Posted by: Caelidh at October 11, 2005 04:26 PM

I guess it wouldn't help to repeat that Buddism doesn't have a god. This book appears to be incredibly short-sighted, but then again, I guess you could do or say anything in the name of X.

(X being any person or fictional character in the domain "religion".)

Posted by: Paul at October 11, 2005 04:27 PM

"There is none God. Christian are as stupid dumb as budhists."

hahahahahahahahahahaha...

that's my laugh for the day. thanks.

Posted by: spelcheker at October 11, 2005 04:41 PM

ironcorona: Other denominations of Christianity don't exactly follow the decrees of the Vatican, but I would have to admit that I don't know any Catholics that would even know of that particular statement above.

Posted by: miharu at October 11, 2005 04:45 PM

All hail Bob and His way of Infinite Slack!

Posted by: dwpocius at October 11, 2005 04:45 PM

Morans.

Posted by: Voodoo at October 11, 2005 04:50 PM

Christers seems to have a distaste for everything that doesn't have a connection to that Jesus guy. If you keep behaving this way, I swear he's not going to ever come back with his bag of presents and dyed eggs.

Posted by: mutt jeffries at October 11, 2005 04:51 PM

Typically christian, to arrogantly deny the validity of others' beliefs without even knowing what those beliefs are.

Posted by: ben at October 11, 2005 05:12 PM

So what are the other pages like?

Posted by: TY at October 11, 2005 05:20 PM

If you bow to any other than the Christian God, you are making that object or person a god in your heart and mind, so therefore, Buddha can be a god. And any other form of worship to anything alive or dead, other than the Christian God, is considered to be giving affection to a god, be it an object or person.

Posted by: jc at October 11, 2005 05:25 PM

Has anyone ever noticed that these christians worship at the alter of a idol themselves? Not only that but they worship the image of a god in the midsts of pain and suffering as a basis of their guilt trip.
and that they're so narrow that they can't dream of a philosophy without a simplistic guidebook and list of rules.

{Not to mention this sidenote about a self professed christian being in the white house and taking directions from "voices he hears from god" This dumbshit has gotten us in TWO WARS and killed tens of thousands of people~!}

sorry for the rant...
Personally I would rather try to walk the path, be the path, become enlightened and eat pasta.... then to be kept in the dark

Posted by: flip at October 11, 2005 05:32 PM

jc: catholics bow and pray to the "Blessed Mary, ever Virgin, all the angels and saints". To Catholics these beings are not god but are, instead, of god. Which is the point; there is only one god but there are other beings that can help you understand god's truth without being god themself... according to catholics.

Posted by: ironcorona at October 11, 2005 05:37 PM

Performers also bow to their audience. An audience who may affectionately worship said performer.

I knew there was something evil about entertainers.

Posted by: untitled at October 11, 2005 05:42 PM

angels,mary or any of the others being worshipped, are not to be given worship or prayer. Angels in the bible thought it to be dishonarable to even have it thought that they deserved any worship, no matter what catholics think!!

Posted by: jc at October 11, 2005 05:53 PM

Thank you for mentioning that Buddism isn't a "religion" about A God, but more like a philosophy. It was the Hindus who said that Buddah was one of the incarnations of Krishna.
Oh and at my christian church we refer to Jesus as one of the great translations of the Budda...boy did I wanna write Bubba... SM

Posted by: SMunson at October 11, 2005 06:19 PM

Lisa: "The mound builders worshipped turtles as well as badgers, snakes, and other animals."
Bart: "Thank God we've come to our senses and worship a carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago."

Posted by: dogman at October 11, 2005 06:35 PM

jc...ironcorona: what the hell are you guys talking about...don't you get it? It's all crap. It's their crap, our crap, his crap, gods crap...don't make no difference...

There is no god in buddhism (so don't ask if there is, because you are creating suffering by desiring to know the answer to an un answerable question), and contrary to what your parents told you, no god in your religions either...sorry guys!

Posted by: jed zep at October 11, 2005 06:38 PM

Thank you God, for your healing and enlightening gift of religion.

Posted by: Bob at October 11, 2005 06:39 PM

Buddha is a state of being, someone who has achieved enlightnment. Anyway I always find it sad that christians need so much reassurance from each other as to the truth of their beliefs. They do like to get the children early so their view of the world will always be tainted by christian ideology. It is too bad that christians are seldom very "christ like"

Posted by: Jason at October 11, 2005 06:48 PM

Fuck all you morons, even the indian guy and his buddha too. I am a MORMON and my god's dick is bigger than all of yours. FSM's noodle ain't got NOTHIN' on MY god's noodle. Way too much for coloring books.

Posted by: Hosehead at October 11, 2005 06:53 PM

Oh, and I almost forgot, since MY GOD is in HEAVEN, he can piss higher than all of you and your gods, too.

Posted by: Hosehead at October 11, 2005 06:55 PM

"His God cannot help him."
Yea, that is my favorite line too.

Maybe that man should take the empty bowl beside him, and go pray in front of a crucifix to Jesus instead.

I bet that empty bowl will fill up much faster then.

Posted by: Big B at October 11, 2005 07:07 PM

Ahh, yer all fulla beans! THIS is the One True Religion (TM):

http://www.subgenius.com

Posted by: Lasagna Deity at October 11, 2005 07:07 PM

Meanwhile in Jesusland:


LOINS DON'T DO JESUS CARTOON:
http://members.cox.net/cowicide/lions.html

Posted by: Cowicide at October 11, 2005 07:13 PM

And being someone who actually comes from India, I can safely say that the average Indian here wouldn't give a flying fuck about some comic full of incorrect ideas and absolute ignorance. Especially one published 51 years ago. :)

Posted by: Irridium at October 11, 2005 07:40 PM

I know that no one reads the posts down here, but i wanted to say something in responce to the first two posts.

People today are PC for some good reasons, it isn't all just bullshit sanitisation. Sure, it can be nice to see people publishing whatever they want, but it is even nicer to see people publishing with an open mind.

The problem with the book is not that the author is being offensive to buddhists, but that they are encouraging their readers to blindly take in this message without considering things from the buddhists point of view. (This is what PC is all about from my point of view).

Posted by: sidd at October 11, 2005 07:41 PM

Oh God, please make them all shut-up!

Posted by: Deke at October 11, 2005 07:48 PM

Posted by: God at October 11, 2005 07:51 PM

Maybe these people have been reading a *different* Bible than I have; But I seem to remember Jesus teaching tolerance, understanding and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I see none of that in this picture, or in many of your comments.

Someone else made a comment about false gods. But that person did not realize that.... to put your faith in any one (mis)conception of God, and not God him/her/itself (or living Gods will), is just as much worshiping a false god. Buddha is also not any form god, only one that has been relieved of the delusions of the self. i.e. Enlightenment.

Posted by: Cory at October 11, 2005 08:12 PM

drool

drool

drool

drool

Posted by: chimpanjesus at October 11, 2005 08:46 PM

*i* want to see what's on the other side of this page, and what an oceanliner bon voyage has to do with christianity!

Posted by: mary at October 11, 2005 08:47 PM

what the buddha said to himself: "im enlightened . . . oh well."

what jesus said to himself: "im enlightened, i must be god."

Posted by: mark at October 11, 2005 08:48 PM

All religions are capable of being taken over by ummm. . . empire-ists. Various forms of christ'isms have been used by the ruling powers to maintain their control of populations over the millenia. The so called Holy Roman empire of Hungary, The adoption of christ'isms by the late Roman Empire itself.

The present use of religion by the empire'ists in the United States is not different, nor surprising.

Islam'ists have done the same in Saudi Arabia today. If you go back through history you find zealots in the company of empire'ists almost always. They are frequently the advance shock forces.

Much like the first comments above they're used often to spread the idea that others are completely unworthy and that violence and oppression are deserved.

If you need present day examples read the "Left Behind" series of books. It doesn't just teach that outsiders are unworthy and able to be discounted, but it is filled with page after page of of intensly graphic horrific descriptions of everyones, read your, bloody deaths. It is pornographic in it's psychopathic hate, and wildly popular among powerful sects in the United States.

These empire'ist retellings of 'Religion' do not represent the ideas of the people who brought wisdom to their various peoples.

Since Jesus of Nazareth was the "prince of peace" to those he taught, and 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven" how is possible that so many people calling themselves "christians" are warmongering greed heads?

Posted by: Kevin at October 11, 2005 08:57 PM

Reminds me of Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew and friends!

Posted by: Jessica at October 11, 2005 09:29 PM

Maybe, it's because all those christian churches (and others)
have all been taken over by servants of Lucifer...

They do his bidding in "GODS" name!

Or they're just a bunch of sheep that want to be lead by the nose
and told that no matter what they do... "they'll be forgiven".

Posted by: flip at October 11, 2005 10:05 PM

The answer to "Can you think of some ways to help him?" seems to be becoming a missionary and going to India. You can see on the bleedthrough the next page title is "Going to India" and a picture of a ship leaving on a presumably long voyage since everyone involved seems to make a very big deal out of it.

Posted by: brombie at October 11, 2005 10:32 PM




LIONS DON'T DO JESUS CARTOON


Posted by: Cowicide at October 11, 2005 10:37 PM

May the World is PEACE to be lived in...

May you all ... never insult each others...

May you all ... live everyday happily...

Let us not to create any chaos...

Only PEACE ... We want... These days....

Posted by: jason at October 11, 2005 10:45 PM

JESUS!

Since i live in a country which was used to be a buddist country, so many intellegence is available here. And what i'd like to say is:
Buddism have more than 400 Billion. If YHWH is right, he's the only god, and all of others are fallen angels and demons, well, it's a poor news to the buddism gods.

Posted by: LEE at October 11, 2005 11:07 PM

This is not just wrong because of spreading bigotry (even though it may have been the norm in America in the 50s).

The illustration is NOT right beacuse you see a Vaishnava (read: Hare Krishna) postrated behind an image of the Buddha.

Vasihanavas follow the path of God, and their most powerful symbol is Krishna, the cow herderd, and NOT Buddha. It may be argued that Siddharta Gautama was the 9th Avatara (Krishna being one of them), but that's Hindu theology... a subject that evidently was NOT what these bigots had in mind.

Anyway, good post!

disclaimer: me not Hindu!

Posted by: Carlitos Yoder at October 11, 2005 11:18 PM

Boohiss said:

"I agree. If you believe in God (Christian God Yahweh), then you must also believe that he is the only God, and that Buddha is a false god. There's nothing wrong with this! It is funny though to see older literature in comparison to the PC crap people turn out these days."

OR you could use your brain and realize that religion is a man-made construct designed to keep the masses in line.

Oh, by the way, fuck you! Was THAT non-PC enough for you?

Posted by: Cranky Media Guy at October 12, 2005 01:38 AM

To make better scans, put some black paper behind the page, adjust brighness & contrast, scan, and then you won't see the other page coming through!

Posted by: Psymon at October 12, 2005 01:47 AM

duly noted in moving forward. thanks for the tip.

Posted by: starlen at October 12, 2005 01:50 AM

The buddha is not a god!

Posted by: max at October 12, 2005 02:06 AM

So much hatred and bigotry in the posts alone - and you guys are worried about the picture? Your comments say MUCH more than the picture.

Posted by: David at October 12, 2005 02:10 AM


FYI: Buddha isn't a god or a God.

Posted by: Trudy at October 12, 2005 05:00 AM

No stone or other man-made structures and stories can help the poor man. Its only he himself and other people like us.

So why fill this with negative content. Lets use our brains to write content that will help and not criticize each other on various man-made grounds.

Posted by: Gappodi at October 12, 2005 06:21 AM

For some Buddhists, the statue of the Buddha represents the "Buddha-Nature" or Holy-Spirit (in Christian Terms) in all people. Prostrations are not used to worship a historical person, but rather to demonstrate a giving up of self and focusing on the light of peace in all of us.

Check out the 14 Mindfulness Trainings.

Posted by: Forge at October 12, 2005 06:49 AM

I skipped the last half of the page because many people were repeating themselves, so somebody might have mentioned it, but we should probably all realise that this book was written ages ago and its author/illustrator may well be dead and gone. Even if they're not, I doubt that they care what we think either way - they're not going to go back and reprint it, are they? Ignorant, yes, but probably also nonplussed and apathetic to this discussion thread.

Posted by: Blender at October 12, 2005 06:51 AM

I skipped the last half of the page because many people were repeating themselves, so somebody might have mentioned it, but we should probably all realise that this book was written ages ago and its author/illustrator may well be dead and gone. Even if they're not, I doubt that they care what we think either way - they're not going to go back and reprint it, are they? Ignorant, yes, but probably also nonplussed and apathetic to this discussion thread.

Posted by: Blender at October 12, 2005 06:52 AM

I think those of us who are actually mature Christian believers see this and realize how wrong it is.

I wouldn't defend something that is so disrespectful towards someone's beliefs.

I believe that all of us require faith in the sacrifice of Christ to be saved, but I wouldn't say that you can outright disrespect the beliefs of another culture and in turn win people over.

The idea that a Christian would take part in some of the juvenile arguements here also saddens me. What are your intentions if you do comment? Be cautious because Christians are judged as a whole because of the extreme viewpoints and actions of the few.

Posted by: M at October 12, 2005 06:54 AM

Intolerance or Love?

It's easy to get bent out of shape when you see Christians engaged in activities that appear 'intolerant' based on today's standard of political correctness.

However, Jesus himself said that He was the only way of salvation.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

The Bible also says that...

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

If you want to blame anyone for this politically incorrect 'intolerance' blame Jesus. He claimed that He was the one true God in human flesh and that he came to pay the penalty for YOUR sins by dieing on the cross. He proved this claim by raising himself from the dead.

Now, you need to ask yourself if Jesus is who He claimed to be. There is plenty of good evidence to support the claim.

If He didn't raise from the dead then He was a liar and a quack and Christians have fallen for the greatest con job in human history.

But if he did rise again from the dead, as the eye-witnesses claim, then Jesus is the one true God.

If Jesus truly is God then telling people that Jesus is offering the forgiveness sins if they turn from their idols is not an act of intolerance, it is an act of love.

Do you thing Jesus was a quack or God in human flesh? Before you answer, you may want to look at the evidence.

Chris Rosebrough - ExtremeTheology.com

Posted by: Chris Rosebrough at October 12, 2005 07:37 AM

A large majority of you should go back and look at your posts and see just how mean spirited and bigoted it was. Then compare it to the coloring book.

Which one is worse, yours or the coloring book?
Which one actually shows concern for the man worshipping or his fellow man in general?

Posted by: JasonH at October 12, 2005 07:47 AM

Jesus was a student of the Buddha.

Posted by: WODIN at October 12, 2005 07:56 AM

> "his god cannot help him"

Neither can mine... so where does that leave us?

Posted by: anonymoustroll at October 12, 2005 08:33 AM

> > "his god cannot help him"
>
>Neither can mine... so where does that leave us?

I should probably tell him, eh?

Posted by: anonymoustroll at October 12, 2005 08:41 AM

Agreed a Buddha is not considered to be a god:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Those people now and in the 50's are just plain ignorant....

Posted by: Toe Knee at October 12, 2005 09:20 AM

Is it possible to get a higher-res copy of the image? I think it's great, and I want to print it out!

Posted by: rottenEGG at October 12, 2005 09:30 AM

Is it possible to get a higher-res copy of the image? I think it's great, and I want to print it out!

Posted by: rottenEGG at October 12, 2005 09:30 AM

I absolutely agree with the picture. Fear my god's Noodly Appendage!

Posted by: Flying Spaghetti Monster Follower at October 12, 2005 10:22 AM

"Those people now and in the 50's are just plain ignorant...."

That seems to be one of the underlying elements of the religion as a whole...
Opposite of some of the eastern philosophical approaches to life. (example: Taoism / Buddhism)

One wonders what would happen if they read Dostoevsky's "The Grand Inquisitor"
http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/dostgi.html
most likely "nothing" as it would be above their heads
Hell, If you're head is buried in the sand, almost everything is above it.

Posted by: flip at October 12, 2005 10:24 AM

I, being Indian and a Hindu, find the page like spinach.
You don't have to eat it once you're old enough. If you dislike it, stick it!

Posted by: Avinash at October 12, 2005 10:49 AM

Listen, people - we're blowing it here. The picture asks "Can you think of some ways to help him?"

Let's get on this, if for no other reason than to end the neverending string of "Buddha is not a god" comments.

Posted by: Steve at October 12, 2005 10:52 AM

We could let him know that Buddha is not a god? That might help.

Posted by: Andrew at October 12, 2005 11:39 AM

Buddha was too a God. He was just to chicken to admit it.

"you should respect other's faith."

Why? If people want to believe things for no logical reason and pester others to believe it too; if they want to wear silly hats, hoods, shawls and robes, cut skin off their kids' genitals, teach bronze age myths as science and preach hate against anyone who is different or who does not believe, I see no reason to be respectful. Freedom of religion does not entitle people to be free of ridicule. Just ask Jumpin' Tom Cruise.

MintieMouse said "PS: Why are homosexuals against the Christian religion?? I don't get it.

Could it be the fact that Christians want to control who they marry, How they have sex (anti-sodomy laws) and that they feel little sadness when a homosexual gets tied to a fence post and beaten to death? Or could it be that when homosexuals ask for the right to not be refused a job or an apartment they are accused by Christians as wanting "special rights" and being part of a militant homosexual agenda? Or could it just be that Christians keep calling them abominations?

Hard to say, really.

Posted by: Hairy at October 12, 2005 12:37 PM

Wasn't Elron the King of the Elves in LOTR? What's he doing in a bad science fiction author's body?

Posted by: JT at October 12, 2005 03:38 PM

jed zep: You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about Buddha being a god. I was talking about peoples reactions to the picture.

How can you know if a question is unanswerable unless you explore it by asking further questions?

Posted by: ironcorona at October 12, 2005 03:43 PM

That guy just passed out while stumbling home from nickel beer night.

Posted by: Matthew at October 12, 2005 05:06 PM

When you've been touched by His Noodly Appendage, your heaven has a beer volcano and a stripper factory. Beat that loser other religion guys! Arrrr.

Posted by: Lorin Rivers at October 12, 2005 07:44 PM

I am an Arab and I have this message for low IQ American Christians. We had some political bickering here in Arabia 1500-2000 years ago, and my ancestors recruited some low IQ Europeans for the faction that called itself Christian. After nearly 1500 years, you brainwashed morons are still following what my ancestors told you to do! Mental inferiority must be a hereditary condition. What else explains the fact that my ancestor's brainwashing has been handed down generations?

Posted by: Arab at October 12, 2005 08:19 PM

Michael Jackson loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and white and green and red
They are precious in his bed
Michael Jackson loves the children of the world


...so why isn't he a priest?

Posted by: Carrie at October 12, 2005 11:10 PM

That's what I love about this country. Everyone is entitled to their wrong opinion. (I know I am)

Posted by: Gonzalo at October 13, 2005 08:46 AM

-- It's sad that in 50 years that religious tolerrence in the English speaking world is not the norm. On the other hand, racism has come a ways, but still does exist in other forms. Both of these are simply forms of ethnocentism.

Posted by: Micah C. at October 13, 2005 01:52 PM

The picture is wrong on several levels:

1. Buddha wasn't a god - he was an ordinary man who saw "enlightenment" - what that means.

2. The guy prostrating himself appears to be an orthodox hindu priest. (The shaved head with the little pigtail left is the giveaway.) There's no way that a real priest would do this.

3. As for the religious claptrap implicit in the message, it's a waste of time to even discuss it.

Posted by: Modem Noise at October 13, 2005 07:09 PM

not true at all. I'm an orthodox hindu (and a brahmin no less!) and i'd gladly prostrate myself before Lord Buddha. He's to hinduism what Martin Luther was to christianity, and what Jesus was to Judaism--a reformer who pointed out the corruption and flaws inherent in their older religious forms.

Buddha may not be a god to Buddhists, but he certainly is to Hindus.

But really, a proper orthodox hindu worships whatever he or she feels like, as our scriptures are open enough to allow for all philosophies from atheism through crazy henotheism to polytheism to monism to straight up hare krishna monotheists.

besides, in the grand scheme of avatars, buddha just makes sense. Ram-- the lawgiver and perfect man, followed by Krishna-- the essence of eternal joy and divinity, followed by Gautam Buddha--the transcendant one who leaves the mortal coil behind to become one with the essence of everything.

and people say that evolution can't work with religion =)

Posted by: shivam at October 14, 2005 07:56 AM

"Everyone in the whole world needs to find Jesus to be saved."

Do you see how stupid that sounds? First, we have the made up threat of not being "saved"--which pertains to the afterlife, of course, since Christians are the masters of devaluing life itself in favor of dubious afterlives. Then you have the untenable mission of recruiting everyone on the face of the earth.

There are two things that I can think of right now that will contribute to a lunk-headed worldwide monoculture: Globalized media and commerce, and the persistent drumming of religion.

Posted by: Mike at October 14, 2005 04:12 PM

Live and let live? Not anymore. I don't care at all who gets offended because of their religious beliefs. I'm tired of people having to leave a wide berth on the subject of religion for fear of offending. People who believe in myths, usually simply because they've been indoctrinated into these beliefs from birth, deserve to be offended, and offended bitterly. Especially when they cross the line and expect that their religion should be granted special consideration or treatment by statute or law.

Posted by: shade51 at October 14, 2005 07:33 PM

(TypeKey didn't work for me, and it told me to tell you so)

In response to the "Reader comment" on BoingBoing, I sent them this (and don't know if it will be posted) in case it will help you:

Another way of reducing (or actually eliminating) that ghosting effect you see in the scan, is to use Adobe Photoshop.

You'll want to use the Levels feature at "Image > Adjustments > Levels... (CTRL+L)" -- when you're in the dialog you want to scoot the left arrow towards the right of the farthest left bump (to darken the black lines). Then scoot the right arrow to the left of the farthest right bump (which may actually look like a cliff) to fade all the light gray (in this case the ghost image) into white. Don't touch the center arrow. Then click OK.

Bonus Tip: If you're working with a black and white (grayscale) image, like the coloring book is, then you'll want to desaturate (take out all the color information and make it a truly grayscale image) by using the desaturate command at "Image > Adjustments > Desaturate (Shift+CTRL+U)"

Posted by: Block Sheep at October 15, 2005 04:39 PM

I don't see how you could be a Buddhist and a
Christian, unless you looked at the term Christian in
the broadest sense, ie someone who thinks that Jesus
was a swell guy and we should try to follow his
teachings. Belief that the two separate ancient
Caananite deities El and Yahweh were actually one god
and that he wanted this one nomadic tribe to slaughter
their neighbors down to the last baby and then one day
he got soft and sent his son to get his ass kicked for
all of our sins, I don't know if this fits in with
Buddhism too well. I don't recall Buddha mentioning
sin at all, now that I think about it.

Posted by: Matt at October 15, 2005 07:08 PM

"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

http://brouhaha.blogs.com/brouhaha/2005/08/flying_spaghett.html

Posted by: Brouhaha at November 5, 2005 06:51 PM

For crying out loud, God is NOT an asshole.

Bodhisattva


"For as long as space endures

And for as long as living beings remain,

Until then may I too abide

To dispel the misery of the world."

Becoming a Bodhisattva is a huge step in helping not only yourself, but also every other sentient being, both seen and unseen. Most people are self-motivated and work primarily to solve their own problems, keeping others a distant second. Should someone do an act of kindness, repayment is generally expected whether in the form of a thank you and/or further praise.

A Bodhisattva is motivated by pure compassion and love. Their goal is to achieve the highest level of being: that of a Buddha.

Bodhisattva is a Sanskrit term which translates as: Bodhi [enlightenment] and sattva [being]. And their reason for becoming a Buddha is to help others. The Bodhisattva will undergo any type of suffering to help another sentient being, whether a tiny insect or a huge mammal. In Shakyamuni Buddha�s 'Perfection of Wisdom in 8,000 Lines' it states: �I will become a savior to all those beings, I will release them from all their sufferings.� If this sounds familiar to anyone not acquainted with Buddhism, then you only need to think of the example of Jesus Christ, a true Bodhisattva.

Posted by: indigobusiness at November 30, 2005 08:43 PM

When will these people civilize and give up their tribal Semitic religions! They still murder animals for eating, and then dare to talk about "God" and other holy crap. Considering that the time lag between the Indian and European civilization was about 2500 years, these Europeans should have acheived the standards the Indians had in 500 BCE by now. Maybe we can wait 500 or 1000 more years and see.

Posted by: Anon at March 19, 2006 09:22 PM

Hey everyone, These were really pretty entertaining comments. Its was pretty funny reading them. Thanks for the laughs. For the record, I believe in Buddism and not Christianity. I have nothing against any other religion unless it involves hatred. And no religion that I know of actually teaches hatred, it's just the believers that get off the path. And that's the rest of the story.

Posted by: bodhi at July 2, 2006 01:48 AM

Hello,

First of all one should understand the identity of the self as spiritual
Secondly - to understand God - His position and existence
Thirdly - to understand one's eternal relationship to him that is not only love in word but most importantly practical activity for His pleasure. One without another is imperfection of religion.

Hearing about God
Chanting His Glories and holy name
remembering Him
serving His mission or will
serving His Deity form
praying to God
developing friendship to God and
total surrender to Him

are the ways of any bona fide religion

No meat eating - prevents violence
No illicit sex - prevents material identification with the body and purity
No gambling - prevents development of greed, anger, illusion, envy and pride
No intoxication - prevents degradation of consciousness, illusory material and mental happiness

To raise to the spiritual platform one should seriously follow the above principles. Only after becoming free from the material conditioning one can speak about beginning of spiritual life.

The above mentioned 4 principles are the principles of freedom just like the citizen is free following the rules of the government.

There are materialistic religions that allow the for sins. However, they are materialistic and far from transcendence. In the name of God they allow sinning. Saying weaknesses cannot be given up they continue materialistic life.

thus
eating meat
illicit sex
gambling
intoxication
are all pillars of sinful life and avoided in a pure religion.

If you are interested in transcendental life you are welcome to see for more elaboration and scientific explanation of religion, existence of God, soul etc. at "The Hare Krishna Views On Science"
http://www.freewebtown.com/bhaktivedanta108

With best regards
Nitai

Posted by: Nitai at July 7, 2006 11:30 AM

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